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  • Gorni

    If an earthquake occurred and the entire state of California drifted out to sea, would we miss it?

    • http://yahoo.com/ Michael

      Not likely, but Nevada and southern Oregon would some new beach front property!!

    • randi

      NOT IN THE LEAST.

  • http://yahoo.com/ Michael

    I see a lot of gun shop owners moving out of KALIFORNIKATE to states with a 2 cd Amendment leanings!!!

    • Lili J

      I recently read that the new Obama passed budget has billion$$ targeted specifically for gun control regulations. CA is only the beginning. It will become nationwide.

      • Beckah

        They are using the VA and obamacare to facilitate. If you seek treatment at the VA for PTS, they take your guns. Now, they have doctors in the private sector asking patients about their “mental health” and if they are gun owners. They’ve been trying for decades, this is their sneakiest attack yet!

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  • Rippie

    Well, it follows as a solution that addresses the idiocy of the “any gun for any person at any time in any place” morons.

    If you can’t get ’em, it stops the cycle.

    After all, the solution to gun violence is NOT MORE GUNS! That’s like saying that the solution to dysentery is drinking more dirty water.

    A nation born in violence does NOT have to tolerate continued existence in violence, and a key solution is to get rid of the most lethal weapons that can be used in the most indiscriminate ways and in the flash of an instant while rational thought is being suppressed by hormonal rage.

    Most murders happen in “nice families.” Only about 20% of murders are by strangers. Most are by family. You’re arming yourselves against your relatives. That’s pathetic, but statistically how it is.

    The more guns there are, the more gun violence there is, period.

    • Deplorable Robert

      PEOPLE MURDER PEOPLE. GUNS ARE INANIMATE OBJECTS. They will sit on a shelf or a drawer or gun safe and never move until someone picks them up and uses them. Guns are NOT the problem. Mental defectives (Liberals) are.
      Next they will want to ban kitchen knives, and hammers too. Is that also your way of thinking too?

      • Rippie

        Nicely rendered NRAyhole redirect. So, “mental defectives” cause gun violence even in the absence of guns? The gun is the common denominator.

        Also, the issue is that guns are ten times more lethal per attack than the #2 murder weapon, knives. HANDGuns also have no other use than killing people. That is not the case for cars, hammers, your chef’s knife and your softball bat.

        Nice try, but you can’t dilute away the reality of HANDGuns exceptionally dangerous nature compared to any other murder weapon in terms of how quickly it can be used without actually being in direct contact with the victim. So quickly, in fact, that many handgun murders occur that would not in the 10-20 seconds it might take to find a knife and run back into the living room in no small part because that sudden flood of adrenalin and other attack hormones is already subsiding so you are not operating solely on your lizard-brain reactions.

        You haven’t thought this through, have you.

        Sure, the overreaching problem is that we as a species are murderous. That’s why superstitions were invented to generate religions to try to stifle that innate urge.

        The problem is that HALF of all murders, and more than TWICE AS MANY MORE suicides are by HANDGun. It is the ease and speed of use that is the problem. Remove handguns from civilians and both the murder and suicide rates would drop hugely.

        Not by half, but significantly. That’s like curing some cancers without doing anything but giving up just one of the MANY forms of arms that one can carry for personal protection which are far less lethal but quite effective.

        • Beckah

          You really should link where you obtained your statistics. I’m going to to out on a limb and guess either CNN or HuffPo.

          • Rippie

            I don’t consume either of those unless they have a story that nobody else has, which is rare, though you seem to be unaware that HuffPo are essentially what I would call a reposter. They repost all or parts of the articles or items others have authored and may edit for or add content for supporting their far left views to balance against the Breitbarts and such of the world. Even FauxNooz have slowly been shifting more centrist in response to pressure from their viewers. Being #1 is a burden as well as a boon.

            I read wires. The raw reports of news events and studies. I read the studies themselves. I also analyze the data that is available in raw format under or behind the regular-person-friendly stuff on the DoJ site. About 5 years ago, in an attempt to disprove the claims of anti-handgun people, I analyzed a ton of crime data, mostly as pertains to murder and did some statistical analyses that were revealing that I was wrong about handguns. Hence my position today.

            I spent about 60 or so hours JUST DOING THE MATH. A couple or more times because I didn’t believe it, but the conclusions were right there and they were cold, hard numbers, not feelings, not hopes and not dreams.

            Because the information is hidden in plain sight on the DoJ site and, presumably, other sites where collected raw data are not presented but implied, I came to understand why the NRA, which I belonged to for a long time until the regime change had made it pretty insane by the late 90s, had worked SO hard to make sure that the NIH and CDC were forced to NOT be allowed to do detailed studies and running statistical analyses regarding guns, handguns in particular.

            This works to the NRA’s advantage as any discussion of HANDguns is instantly transformed into a discussion about “guns” in general, where long guns have a much safer history and statistically much lower use in crime over the last half century. As a result, since there are really scarce stats before the 70s, long gun info is intentionally insinuated into the HANDgun discussion to dilute the actual effects of handguns. Clever once. Coy twice. Tiresome after decades, though.

            Half of American households have at least one gun. It’s almost always a long gun. But again, the dilution of reality is expressed by implying that “a gun’s a gun’s a gun.” A hunting rifle is NOTHING like an AR, and that’s NOTHING like a rapid semi-auto handgun.

            And all those handguns are owned by a very small percentage of Americans, many of whom own not just several, but many. I understand “collecting.” But handguns are the only product sold to civilians for which the primary, even the ONLY design function is to kill other humans. There are a HANDFUL of exceptions to that.

            I can’t link my sources because my sources have been prevented from making the analyses that I did, in which I discovered alarming truths. They may actually do them, but they cannot publish them since the NRA got the law structured to prevent it.

            It is possible, though, to see how HANDGUN murder rates have tracked separately from the overall murder rate, and how, when they have dropped, the rates of murder by other means did NOT rise to fill the vacuum, as I had expected they would and as all you boneheads claim they will. The reverse held, too. When gun control stressors, like the enforcement and then expiration of the so-called “Assault gun ban” occurred, it was easy to also see that HANDgun murders rebounded, but the rates of other means did not dip in compensation.

            And yes, the overall downward slope over 2-1/2 decades was, with the usual ups and downs, maintained. It is the relative rates that are important here. I was trying to demonstrate that identifiable changes in HANDgun violence were compensated for by inverse changes in use of other means of violence. Turned out not to correlate at all. Not one bit.

            So, as an engineer (2 Masters, so I kinda have the math down adequately), I had approached this as a purely empirical, easy to prove conclusion. Of course it seemed logical that if you pinch one form of violence, perpetrators will run to another means, and given greater swings in the rate of violence for HANDguns, it’s possible that there would be a smaller corresponding inverse response in the use of other weapons or means, but there’s only one way to find out.

            If eliminating the currently about 9-10K murders per year by HANDguns alone could be done quickly, I still believe that such a great movement in overall murders would be compensated for with other weapons, including some long guns. I think we already see that phenomenon on smaller scales, where handguns are very hard to obtain but long guns are pretty easy, such as the San Bernadino shooting.

            Let’s pull a number out of the air and say that the response is 50%. That is STILL a reduction of 50% just by eliminating handguns, or nearly 5000 people’s lives spared annually, never mind the maimings and other injuries from handguns.

            And we haven’t even touched upon the 20000+ handgun suicides per year.

            Even if half of THOSE people simply move onto another means and are successful, which they often aren’t even with handguns, that is ANOTHER 10000 lives saved per year.

            And that’s 15000 families that don’t go through the anguish of burying a family member. And that’s 15000 churches who don’t mourn the loss of a congregant. And it’s 15000 companies who don’t mourn the loss of a coworker. And it’s 15000 schools not mourning the loss of a fellow student or teacher. And it’s 15000 bowling clubs, race teams, spelling bees, fire houses, etc…

            Or is keeping a dangerous, far to deadly device in your waistband more important than the loss of 15000 people a year and the grief and inconvenience and costs to hundreds of thousands of people per year, and to the dead people’s creditors, etc, just collateral cost for your rod?

            We’re not talking about the “bad guys.” We’re talking about EVERYONE. Regular people murder each other in a momentary and devastating loss of self-control. Handguns make it FAR too easy to do that. They may be used 1/5 of the time as knives are in attacks, but they are ten times as deadly per attack, so they murder twice as many people as knives. And there aren’t many knife suicides. There are some, but not lots.

            And the reality is that most handgun owners are NOT trained. They may know how to load, hold and shoot, and they may have some theoretical classroom training and even have run a field test in a simulation, practical or electronic, but that is a FAR cry from what military have for training or police have for continual training and certification.

            Handguns are FAR less regulated than cars are. And their owners, especially less than drivers are.

            That is the only way that handguns will be able to remain in civilian hands: VERY tight regulation with registration, full ballistics sample, slugs and casings, insurance, recertification exams, both written and practical, and at LEAST as often as you need to renew your auto license.

            That’s the only compromise that anti-handgun people are going to go for. I’m a good shot with a handgun. My wife competes with the gun club team statewide. We NEVER carry a handgun. We have other means of being armed and protected, which seems to escape the peabrains of gun people.

            And woe be to the person who tried to get in our house. We won’t screw around with a handgun then. And I’m the better shot with long guns.

            Biden, somehow, came to the correct middle-ground solution on firearms. I have to assume his people saw what I did. We need a class of really simple short shotgun in a smaller gauge (so you don’t destroy your house) for home defense that even a kid can master without shooting themselves in a crisis.

            Handguns ain’t it. And nothing stops someone from breaching your door like standing there with a shotgun. NOT a handgun.

            I spent weeks compiling data before crunching it. I’m not going to do it again. I learned what I needed to, even if it is not what I’d hoped or expected.

            And that made me a believer. I’ll still always enjoy the technicalities of ballistic weapons and the skills involved, just as I do pool, but I will never, ever be convinced that more handguns is safer or better than fewer handguns.

            It is pure logic. Handgun violence cannot occur when there are no handguns. Duhhh.

          • Deplorable Robert

            Thanks for the novel. Most folks will not spend fifteen minutes to read your post. I didn’t either. I am sure you believe what you feel you “digested” from the DoJ site. Did you check FBI stats too? Man, us white folks murder at close to the same rate as black folks too. Did you get that figure??
            Sorry , but the FBI stats MIX Whites with Hispanics to increase the “white” crimes so the Black crime isn’t so outrageous. Actually, Blacks make up 13% of ALL USA population. Out of that 13%, only about 3% of that 13% actually commit crimes such as murder. That 3% commits that same amount as whites (70% population) AND the Hispanics combined. So, what am I saying??? The ” cold, hard FACTS” are just cold and hard. They are not true FACTS. But, you still believe it! Did you research the rate of concealed carry and legal carried gun owners who commit gun crimes, let alone ANY CRIMES? Probably 0.003% of all permitted armed carriers across ALL STATES. You tell me!

          • Deplorable Robert

            Maybe you should move to Australia, or Great Britain, or even Mexico. No civilian guns allowed for the Average citizen there. Yes, even Mexico doesn’t give their peasants gun rights.HaHa yea, how’s that a working out??
            Heck, I just glaced at part of your novel. Did I read you actual “prefer a long gun”??? My advice: practice makes perfect. You can’t hit a target with a pistol if you don’t practice. That will lead to you missing what you need to hit, and possibly killing AN INNOCENT BYSTANDER. But your “logic” is only logical to you. You ever look down the barrel of a .45 or .357 Mag?? I hope not. Even a .22 can kill you if you hit what you aim at. If I aim a firearm at someone, the last thing I am trying to do is SCARE THEM. If I draw my weapon, it will have a projectile coming out the end of it.

        • Deplorable Robert

          Coming from a LiberalHOLE, I can see you know not what you are talking about. Handguns have other purposes other than “killing people” as you stated. I target practice, I also HUNT, and also PROTECT MY FAMILY from the mental defectives that just wouldn’t care to rob, rape , or kill me or my loved ones. I stopped reading your post at that point as you surely have no real grasp on reality. Are you a mental defective? I don’t assume you are, and if you choose not to buy, keep or use a firearm, that is clearly your choice. My firearm( so far) has never killed any human. It ,so far is just my favorite companion while out in this immoral God forsaken world. Cars have killed many more folks than firearms have( at least domestically). If you really want to make a difference in firearm murder prevention, go to Shitcago and talk the thug punks into giving them up. You won’t convince any law abiding moral person to give up their personal protection as when seconds count, the police are minutes if not hours away.

    • Beckah

      Yep, and bad guys always get their guns from registered FFLs…

      • Rippie

        Well, let’s be realistic here. The VAST OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of handguns start out as completely legal. And they cannot be strawmanned, stolen or otherwise find their way into the hands of baddies if they aren’t sold in the first place.

        Additionally, most handgun murders are committed with legal handguns. “Crimes of passion” and the like are common. Nearly 3/4 of personal violent crimes are committed by people well known to the victims: Assaults, rapes, home invasions, murders, burglaries. Your handgun(s) are more often the actual targets of the burglaries or invasions than people care to realize, sometimes ignoring other valuables. Your family, friends, coworkers, these are the people who are coming after your guns, possessions, kids.

        If they don’t have guns and you don’t have guns, they net no guns. There is no gun violence. It’s pretty simple. Maybe too complicated for you, but it’s pretty simple for anyone with a few working neurons to grasp.

  • mustang

    So as a point of example, I expect looney tune Governor Brown, all cabinet level officials and the speakers of both state houses to order their security to disarm. Let’s have these “elitists” lead by example instead of dictating to the people what THEY should do.

    • Beckah

      It’s not likely they would be in any danger, CA already has some of the toughest laws; it’s not likely anyone else has a gun.

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  • Ed Wade

    Hey, David Lee, almost everything you just spewed above is no more than left wing “progressive” propaganda, from a true Alinskyite, so to quote your dumb ass, “To Hell With You.”

  • Deplorable Robert

    It is past time for those “good” folks (there are some) in Kalifornica to rise up and stand your ground and tell these Commies that you won’t take it any longer. Do it NOW.